ANDREW MARR:
Now as we've been saying the UN Summit has not gone well. Jack Straw the
Foreign Secretary was, I have to say unlike the Americans, sitting there
listening to a hard line speech from the new President of Iran insisting
on his right to develop nuclear technology whatever the West said. I spoke
to Mr Straw a little earlier and began by pointing out that the President
could not have been more hard line if he'd tried.
JACK STRAW:
This was a disappointing and unhelpful speech by President Ahmadinejad. All
the more disappointing given the fact that the E Three, that's France, Germany
and the United Kingdom and Javier Solana, EU Foreign Policy Representative,
have spent much of the last few days in discussions with Iran and with intermediaries
like Kofi Annan explaining that yes we would and we were ready to go the
extra mile with the Iranians, notwithstanding their breaking the November
Paris agreement and their restarting the facility at Isfahan, the conversion
facility at Isfahan. We have done all of that and yet we had to hear this
speech.
QUESTION:
Foreign Secretary let's be clear. Iran's offer of more transparency of a
nuclear programme's nothing like enough to reassure you or the Americans
is it?
JACK STRAW:
Well look, and let's be clear about this, and it's not just about the Europeans
and the Americans, this is about what we call the whole of the international
community but there is a Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy
Agency which if you like is a mini version of the General Assembly of the
United Nations. It has thirty five or thirty six members on it and some key
states from around the world including Russia, China, South Africa, Brazil,
India and so on. This has decided on seven successive occasions unanimously
that Iran must bring itself in to full compliance with its own obligations,
which have been there for years and years, for complete transparency under
the Non Proliferation Treaty. So offering to be transparent now is simply
saying you're going to be compliant and really accepting that you've not
been compliant in the past.
QUESTION:
You put an awful lot of hard work into this Foreign Secretary as did French
and the Germans. A speech this hard line's a heck of a slap across the face
for you. Do you trust the President now when he says it's all about civil
nuclear power, nothing to do with military stuff at all?
JACK STRAW:
Well look I don't regard it in, in that way. It was not unexpected given
the position that President Ahmadinejad had taken during the course of the
Iranian elections three months ago. But as to whether we, we trust him, it's
not about an issue of personal trust. Successive Iranian Ministers and Presidents
and indeed the supreme religious leader Ayatollah Khamenei have said, we
have no nuclear weapons and we have no intention of gaining nuclear weapons.
The problem is not what they say, it's that at the moment what they are doing
and what has been disclosed and also what has we think not been disclosed
fails properly to add up.
QUESTION:
The President says he's going to offer this technology to other Islamic countries,
he's going ahead completely regardless. You've offered him all these carrots
and he's not interested in them. He doesn't want your diplomacy does he?
JACK STRAW:
Well hang on a second. But I say here's a big question, it's important that
people should understand it. Iran has one nuclear power station under construction
at a place called Bushehr. The technology is Russian and the Russians are
providing the nuclear fuel and they say they'll only run it on their fuel.
So the question then arises to which we've never had a satisfactory answer,
why does Iran need to develop this nuclear fuel technology when they don't
have any power stations in which it can be used. As to your question Andy
about the end of the diplomatic road. We'll go on trying here. We've always
said this has to be resolved by diplomatic means within international organisations.
QUESTION:
We've got this large Shiite population of course in the South of Iraq. Are
you worried about a grand coalition between them and Tehran?
JACK STRAW:
I think it's important to separate these issues. I think they're separate
in the minds of the Iranian Government and they need to be separate from
everybody else. Any Iranian Government has an interest in a stable Iraq,
its neighbour. It doesn't have an interest in fomenting huge trouble, not
least because if they leave Iraq to democratic processes there is bound to
be a Government which has a majority of people representing the Shia community.
QUESTION:
But after all the bloodshed we could end up with an Islamic republic in Iraq
as well as Iran. Is this really the kind of better, happier, stabler more
Middle East we were promised before the war?
JACK STRAW:
If you read as I have the Iraqi constitution it is a different constitution
from that for, in Iran because in Iran although there are indeed Sunni and
some Christians, it is overwhelmingly Shia, it's had a particular history
over the last century or more. In Iraq, yes, they in their constitution pay
homage to their majority religion of Islam just as I may say in many countries
around Europe we pay homage to our dominant religions of Christianity. But
they do provide for clear balance between the Sunni, the Shia and the Kurds.
They provide for freedom to practice religions. There is a, it isn't the,
it does not say that Sharia Islam is the sole source of all law in Iraq.
QUESTION:
Finally Foreign Secretary we've been told that Ariel Sharon the Israeli Prime
Minister has been invited to Britain but doesn't want to come because he
thinks that as a former general he could be arrested for war crimes. Can
you assure him (a) that he's welcome and (b) that if he arrives at Heathrow
he won't simply be arrested and hauled off to jail?
JACK STRAW:
I think so although let me say these ultimately are matters for the courts
and not for me. Prime Minister Sharon has been to the United Kingdom on many,
many occasions and in the past there've been some people who've been trying
to stir up trouble against him but these have not come to fruition and I
doubt very much indeed that they would come to fruition again. Moreover he
is a serving Prime Minister in a very different capacity from somebody who'd
retired from the Israeli Army.
QUESTION:
Thank you very much indeed Foreign Secretary.
JACK STRAW:
Thank you.
IRAN'S
NUCLEAR STANCE 'DISAPPOINTING'
BBC INTERVIEW WITH JACK STRAW
U.K. FOREIGN SECRETARY
U.K. FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE
September 18, 2005
